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		<title>By: Anne Hill, D.Min. &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Obama&#8217;s Fellowship of the Dream</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne Hill, D.Min. &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Obama&#8217;s Fellowship of the Dream</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 04:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] election dreams and looking for patterns in how conservative and liberal Americans dream. After I blogged about a dream I&#8217;d had of Obama, Kelly noted that he had been getting a lot of assassination [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] election dreams and looking for patterns in how conservative and liberal Americans dream. After I blogged about a dream I&#8217;d had of Obama, Kelly noted that he had been getting a lot of assassination [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Blog o&#8217; Gnosis &#187; Blog Archive &#187; I hate to say this, but&#8230;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blog o&#8217; Gnosis &#187; Blog Archive &#187; I hate to say this, but&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 05:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] over, so I won&#8217;t waste too much time on it. Just to be clear, I&#8217;ve got no problem with Obama being a centrist Democrat. I just had a problem with the people who insisted (and still insist) that he&#8217;s not. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] over, so I won&#8217;t waste too much time on it. Just to be clear, I&#8217;ve got no problem with Obama being a centrist Democrat. I just had a problem with the people who insisted (and still insist) that he&#8217;s not. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Anne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 17:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jonathan,

I think Hillary lost the nomination mostly because Obama ran a much better, smarter campaign. Some of that is for the reasons you mention: hiring entrenched Washington consultants vs. creative thinkers capitalizing on the zeitgeist. For some people it was her vote on Iraq which made a difference. But I don&#039;t think you can argue that sexism—indeed, blatant misogyny at times—didn&#039;t also play a role. 

I value Obama&#039;s community organizer experience, but that wasn&#039;t what got him elected to the Illinois State Senate. It was ambition, and an astute grasp of party power dynamics which governed his strategic alliances. And he made it to the U.S. Senate with help from his Republican opponent, who self-destructed before the election. That makes Obama a politician, albeit a gifted one; hence he has my strategic, rather than idealistic, support.

The guy is a great campaigner, and he may just catapult himself to the rarefied position of president, even with all the negatives about him that are gaining traction in the electorate. But as you point out, campaigning is not governing. I would love nothing better than for him to have the chutzpah to save the US from collapse, à la FDR. But we really have no way of knowing whether that is going to happen until (or unless) it actually does.

At the very least, I desperately hope that he is able to reinstate sanity to the Supreme Court, which may well go completely off the deep end in the next term. For a conciliator such as Obama, just as with a centrist like Clinton, so much will also depend on the fighting spirit of Congressional Democrats. We shall see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jonathan,</p>
<p>I think Hillary lost the nomination mostly because Obama ran a much better, smarter campaign. Some of that is for the reasons you mention: hiring entrenched Washington consultants vs. creative thinkers capitalizing on the zeitgeist. For some people it was her vote on Iraq which made a difference. But I don&#8217;t think you can argue that sexism—indeed, blatant misogyny at times—didn&#8217;t also play a role. </p>
<p>I value Obama&#8217;s community organizer experience, but that wasn&#8217;t what got him elected to the Illinois State Senate. It was ambition, and an astute grasp of party power dynamics which governed his strategic alliances. And he made it to the U.S. Senate with help from his Republican opponent, who self-destructed before the election. That makes Obama a politician, albeit a gifted one; hence he has my strategic, rather than idealistic, support.</p>
<p>The guy is a great campaigner, and he may just catapult himself to the rarefied position of president, even with all the negatives about him that are gaining traction in the electorate. But as you point out, campaigning is not governing. I would love nothing better than for him to have the chutzpah to save the US from collapse, à la FDR. But we really have no way of knowing whether that is going to happen until (or unless) it actually does.</p>
<p>At the very least, I desperately hope that he is able to reinstate sanity to the Supreme Court, which may well go completely off the deep end in the next term. For a conciliator such as Obama, just as with a centrist like Clinton, so much will also depend on the fighting spirit of Congressional Democrats. We shall see.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 14:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anne,

Hillary Clinton didn&#039;t lose because she was a woman.  She lost because she voted for the war.   

There really are reasons to feel good about Obama because his victory is a victory for the relatively progressive  wing of the Democratic Party over the comparatively conservative corporate types. People outside of New York just don&#039;t realize how conservative HRC really is.  

 It&#039;s not just that Clinton voted for the war, it&#039;s that she refused to even talk to the anti-war movement and treated us with disdain.  Indeed, the reason Hillary lost has nothing to do with her gender, it&#039;s because she supported the war and did nothing to challenge Bush&#039;s lies about it and then labeled us the naifs while she just repeated Republican bullshit.   

And, there is the matter of process.  Hillary also lost because her campaign was a deeply hierarchical one, run by Washington media consultants.  Obama is a former community organizer and it is that grassroots experience that is so discounted in the media.  But isn&#039;t that precisely the kind of political experience we value.  

Finally, health care.  I&#039;ve read some persuasive arguments that by eliminating the mandate requirement, Obama is also eliminating what was the biggest point of fear for most ordinary people about the Clinton plan both in 1993 and now.  I realize there are good reasons for a mandate, but also remember back in 1993 that even I thought that the Clinton plan would leave me and many other peopel worse off rather than better off.    Finally, I would note that FDR ran on a platform that promised none of the things that he eventually did to save the US in the emergency of the Depression.   He advocated a balanced budget, for example in 1932.   So you can&#039;t take these campaign plans as the final word.  

I think Obama may be the first really progressive president we have had since LBJ (Don&#039;t get me startted on Carter).   Carpe Diem!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anne,</p>
<p>Hillary Clinton didn&#8217;t lose because she was a woman.  She lost because she voted for the war.   </p>
<p>There really are reasons to feel good about Obama because his victory is a victory for the relatively progressive  wing of the Democratic Party over the comparatively conservative corporate types. People outside of New York just don&#8217;t realize how conservative HRC really is.  </p>
<p> It&#8217;s not just that Clinton voted for the war, it&#8217;s that she refused to even talk to the anti-war movement and treated us with disdain.  Indeed, the reason Hillary lost has nothing to do with her gender, it&#8217;s because she supported the war and did nothing to challenge Bush&#8217;s lies about it and then labeled us the naifs while she just repeated Republican bullshit.   </p>
<p>And, there is the matter of process.  Hillary also lost because her campaign was a deeply hierarchical one, run by Washington media consultants.  Obama is a former community organizer and it is that grassroots experience that is so discounted in the media.  But isn&#8217;t that precisely the kind of political experience we value.  </p>
<p>Finally, health care.  I&#8217;ve read some persuasive arguments that by eliminating the mandate requirement, Obama is also eliminating what was the biggest point of fear for most ordinary people about the Clinton plan both in 1993 and now.  I realize there are good reasons for a mandate, but also remember back in 1993 that even I thought that the Clinton plan would leave me and many other peopel worse off rather than better off.    Finally, I would note that FDR ran on a platform that promised none of the things that he eventually did to save the US in the emergency of the Depression.   He advocated a balanced budget, for example in 1932.   So you can&#8217;t take these campaign plans as the final word.  </p>
<p>I think Obama may be the first really progressive president we have had since LBJ (Don&#8217;t get me startted on Carter).   Carpe Diem!</p>
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		<title>By: Kris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 08:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I come from a different country altogether--one I have since left for better pastures: Belgium.   I deeply relate to your Kennedy-memory, though.  Like you, I vividly remember seeing images of his assassination on black-and-white TV.  I must have been about six years old.  Vaguely, I remember my mother reacting to the news; even in Belgium, this was big.  But I really was too young to understand anything at all, and yet this seemed to be enormously important.  Somehow, in spite of the distance of time, space and medium, this seemed realer than real.
From the beginning, I have known that Obama would win.  The whole thing is unfortunate, as I had just as much hoped for a woman to win the presidency of the United States.  If only one of them had had the sense of running at a different time...

Thank you very much for your contribution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I come from a different country altogether&#8211;one I have since left for better pastures: Belgium.   I deeply relate to your Kennedy-memory, though.  Like you, I vividly remember seeing images of his assassination on black-and-white TV.  I must have been about six years old.  Vaguely, I remember my mother reacting to the news; even in Belgium, this was big.  But I really was too young to understand anything at all, and yet this seemed to be enormously important.  Somehow, in spite of the distance of time, space and medium, this seemed realer than real.<br />
From the beginning, I have known that Obama would win.  The whole thing is unfortunate, as I had just as much hoped for a woman to win the presidency of the United States.  If only one of them had had the sense of running at a different time&#8230;</p>
<p>Thank you very much for your contribution.</p>
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		<title>By: Helen/Hawk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helen/Hawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 04:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And the fact that Obama looks a lot like my old friend Jacques—I will just try to put that out of my mind. Of course the qualified woman loses to the cute guy in the class. I was really hoping that dynamic would change before my daughters were of voting age, but it looks like we will have to wait another several years before a woman has a chance to just be elected president.&quot;

What&#039;s interesting to me is how the various media/editorial folks seem to plain ole miss the above dynamic.

Talk about racism being the reason Clinton gets votes etc.  Talk about a blind eye.  

(and yes, it&#039;s moot in one sense.  But not in the fact of just not Seeing this pattern and/or not being willing to articulate it)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And the fact that Obama looks a lot like my old friend Jacques—I will just try to put that out of my mind. Of course the qualified woman loses to the cute guy in the class. I was really hoping that dynamic would change before my daughters were of voting age, but it looks like we will have to wait another several years before a woman has a chance to just be elected president.&#8221;</p>
<p>What&#8217;s interesting to me is how the various media/editorial folks seem to plain ole miss the above dynamic.</p>
<p>Talk about racism being the reason Clinton gets votes etc.  Talk about a blind eye.  </p>
<p>(and yes, it&#8217;s moot in one sense.  But not in the fact of just not Seeing this pattern and/or not being willing to articulate it)</p>
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		<title>By: Anne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 01:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We shall see whether Obama&#039;s backbone holds up. I&#039;m not exactly sure what events you are referring to, but he got more interesting to me as a candidate when he started being revealed as another politician who has made some compromises to get ahead. 

I think the art of national politics is knowing which lies will work for you and which against you. I don&#039;t think that&#039;s cynical though; it&#039;s pretty realistic. The cynicism comes in when our expectations are dashed and we use our hurt and anger as an excuse to declare the whole show meaningless and disengage.

In answer to your question, never say never. OTOH, I hope you&#039;re right about hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We shall see whether Obama&#8217;s backbone holds up. I&#8217;m not exactly sure what events you are referring to, but he got more interesting to me as a candidate when he started being revealed as another politician who has made some compromises to get ahead. </p>
<p>I think the art of national politics is knowing which lies will work for you and which against you. I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s cynical though; it&#8217;s pretty realistic. The cynicism comes in when our expectations are dashed and we use our hurt and anger as an excuse to declare the whole show meaningless and disengage.</p>
<p>In answer to your question, never say never. OTOH, I hope you&#8217;re right about hope.</p>
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		<title>By: Thorn Coyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thorn Coyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 22:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hilary Clinton voted for the Iraq war. And then said &quot;they lied to us!&quot; As if we didn&#039;t already see the lies. That behavior is not good enough for someone who will be Commander in Chief. Because of this, I was never pro Hilary Clinton. Now that Obama has grown more backbone, I&#039;ve turned into a supporter.

Do you really think the US can become any more cynical than it already is? I think a dose of hope (even knowing it is likely to fail. Because frankly, anyone who gets elected inherits a huge mess they&#039;re going to get more blame for) is a good thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hilary Clinton voted for the Iraq war. And then said &#8220;they lied to us!&#8221; As if we didn&#8217;t already see the lies. That behavior is not good enough for someone who will be Commander in Chief. Because of this, I was never pro Hilary Clinton. Now that Obama has grown more backbone, I&#8217;ve turned into a supporter.</p>
<p>Do you really think the US can become any more cynical than it already is? I think a dose of hope (even knowing it is likely to fail. Because frankly, anyone who gets elected inherits a huge mess they&#8217;re going to get more blame for) is a good thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Cynthia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cynthia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 19:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In this country we gave black men the vote before we gave it to a woman of any color.  Men before women every time.  I&#039;m convinced that the same dynamic is going on here and that we will do it the same way for much the same reasons.  I&#039;m not happy about it, not at all, but it does seem to be the way of the US when it comes to progress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this country we gave black men the vote before we gave it to a woman of any color.  Men before women every time.  I&#8217;m convinced that the same dynamic is going on here and that we will do it the same way for much the same reasons.  I&#8217;m not happy about it, not at all, but it does seem to be the way of the US when it comes to progress.</p>
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