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	<title>Comments on: Abortion: Holding Life and Death</title>
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	<description>Thoughts on Dreams, Life, and Spirit</description>
	<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 23:42:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: elizabeth</title>
		<link>http://gnosiscafe.com/gcblog/2005/05/23/abortion-holding-life-and-death/#comment-8648</link>
		<dc:creator>elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 13:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you on your sensitive subject, and appreciate how maturely you handled your decisions. I just want to offer some research from two great books by Dr. Michael Newton: 1.'Journey of Souls' and 2. 'Destiny of Souls'. I am sure, that there is more and more such research out there which proves that Creation is much more gentle and careful than to let a Soul enter into an undeveloped body, until survival is assured and the physical 'home' is completed and fully functional... 
 I always felt that just like we do not move into an unfinished house, that is just being built, similarly, the Soul hovers for a long time, before and even after birth. According to Newton newborn babies sleep so much, because they are still spending a lot of time away, in and out, checking things out... Remember in earlier times, infant mortality was very high. 

In fact, this argument can be made at the exit time: the elderly, who are ready to pass on also sleep a lot, preparing and hovering on the other side sometimes more than they are here. (if there is a terminal illness, should they have the right to pass when they chose?....) I would like to have that freedom to chose, if  faced with such a dilemma.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you on your sensitive subject, and appreciate how maturely you handled your decisions. I just want to offer some research from two great books by Dr. Michael Newton: 1.&#8217;Journey of Souls&#8217; and 2. &#8216;Destiny of Souls&#8217;. I am sure, that there is more and more such research out there which proves that Creation is much more gentle and careful than to let a Soul enter into an undeveloped body, until survival is assured and the physical &#8216;home&#8217; is completed and fully functional&#8230;<br />
 I always felt that just like we do not move into an unfinished house, that is just being built, similarly, the Soul hovers for a long time, before and even after birth. According to Newton newborn babies sleep so much, because they are still spending a lot of time away, in and out, checking things out&#8230; Remember in earlier times, infant mortality was very high. </p>
<p>In fact, this argument can be made at the exit time: the elderly, who are ready to pass on also sleep a lot, preparing and hovering on the other side sometimes more than they are here. (if there is a terminal illness, should they have the right to pass when they chose?&#8230;.) I would like to have that freedom to chose, if  faced with such a dilemma.</p>
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		<title>By: Thalia</title>
		<link>http://gnosiscafe.com/gcblog/2005/05/23/abortion-holding-life-and-death/#comment-8605</link>
		<dc:creator>Thalia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 07:31:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh now I have that Rutles song in my head.

I very much agree with you, Anne; though I have never been pregnant and hope never to be I have always known in my bones that it is the birthright of a woman to choose whether she is going to be a mother or not.  Period.  It always strikes me as odd though to hear people say that "life begins at conception"--far as I've ever been able to tell life began millions of years ago, and has been a continuous thread since then. It is not something that suddenly happens when egg and sperm come together; egg and sperm are already alive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh now I have that Rutles song in my head.</p>
<p>I very much agree with you, Anne; though I have never been pregnant and hope never to be I have always known in my bones that it is the birthright of a woman to choose whether she is going to be a mother or not.  Period.  It always strikes me as odd though to hear people say that &#8220;life begins at conception&#8221;&#8211;far as I&#8217;ve ever been able to tell life began millions of years ago, and has been a continuous thread since then. It is not something that suddenly happens when egg and sperm come together; egg and sperm are already alive.</p>
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		<title>By: love Life</title>
		<link>http://gnosiscafe.com/gcblog/2005/05/23/abortion-holding-life-and-death/#comment-8603</link>
		<dc:creator>love Life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 04:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where did you come up with this gnostic knowledge? Because it sounds like you love everything about your gnosticism, essentially your own religion. You have created your own little happy land and convinced yourself that everything in your world is right and everybody has a happy ending. The murder of abortion is not an easy choice. But think of who that child would have grown up to be. But I guess when you make your own rules, you don't have to think about that because that child will never be yours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where did you come up with this gnostic knowledge? Because it sounds like you love everything about your gnosticism, essentially your own religion. You have created your own little happy land and convinced yourself that everything in your world is right and everybody has a happy ending. The murder of abortion is not an easy choice. But think of who that child would have grown up to be. But I guess when you make your own rules, you don&#8217;t have to think about that because that child will never be yours.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Alexander</title>
		<link>http://gnosiscafe.com/gcblog/2005/05/23/abortion-holding-life-and-death/#comment-8566</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph Alexander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 05:55:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Smoke from pain love and morn, to the wishing of us be unborn, how can we call it right, when we take away the right of life, YOU are THROWING AWAY a CHANCE of LIFE! you've stopped what was going to be a child, hows that right, oh its not meek or mild, its dead, your eyes filled with dread, as you hang your head, in your hand screaming what have i done, to wish that I had been undone, killing millions of children to be, its like your saying better them and not me, how selfish can you be, living life as its up to you, to who lives and dies what about you?
did you even think about the one who dies, that is because you are full of lies, whats better to kill 'em off because its your body or let them grow their lives, 

If you had a "Choice" would you choose LIFE?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Smoke from pain love and morn, to the wishing of us be unborn, how can we call it right, when we take away the right of life, YOU are THROWING AWAY a CHANCE of LIFE! you&#8217;ve stopped what was going to be a child, hows that right, oh its not meek or mild, its dead, your eyes filled with dread, as you hang your head, in your hand screaming what have i done, to wish that I had been undone, killing millions of children to be, its like your saying better them and not me, how selfish can you be, living life as its up to you, to who lives and dies what about you?<br />
did you even think about the one who dies, that is because you are full of lies, whats better to kill &#8216;em off because its your body or let them grow their lives, </p>
<p>If you had a &#8220;Choice&#8221; would you choose LIFE?</p>
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		<title>By: Cathryn Bauer</title>
		<link>http://gnosiscafe.com/gcblog/2005/05/23/abortion-holding-life-and-death/#comment-8073</link>
		<dc:creator>Cathryn Bauer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 13:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think your article is one important facet of the abortion issue, and it is clear that you made your decisions thoughtfully and consciously.  Though it could never be my own choice, abortion must be safe and legal.  Women will have them, legal or not, and it will either be in the hands of licensed medical practitioners or at the risk of their lives and health.  

We talk so much about abortion, though, and the right to choose.  Would to the Goddess that very few women would have to make that choice.  We are the most technologically advanced society that has ever existed, and we do not have birth control that is effective and available to everyone!  This is an outrage, one that does not nearly get enough attention from the women's movement, anti-abortion front, or any other group that I know of.  I believe it is birth control that will resolve this issue -- assuming that resolution of a sort is possible -- and that this deserves far more attention and grant money than I see it getting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think your article is one important facet of the abortion issue, and it is clear that you made your decisions thoughtfully and consciously.  Though it could never be my own choice, abortion must be safe and legal.  Women will have them, legal or not, and it will either be in the hands of licensed medical practitioners or at the risk of their lives and health.  </p>
<p>We talk so much about abortion, though, and the right to choose.  Would to the Goddess that very few women would have to make that choice.  We are the most technologically advanced society that has ever existed, and we do not have birth control that is effective and available to everyone!  This is an outrage, one that does not nearly get enough attention from the women&#8217;s movement, anti-abortion front, or any other group that I know of.  I believe it is birth control that will resolve this issue &#8212; assuming that resolution of a sort is possible &#8212; and that this deserves far more attention and grant money than I see it getting.</p>
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		<title>By: Wendy</title>
		<link>http://gnosiscafe.com/gcblog/2005/05/23/abortion-holding-life-and-death/#comment-6601</link>
		<dc:creator>Wendy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 20:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really liked this article.   However, I disagree with abortions and believe in prevention and adoption.  I, too, had two abortions at an early age and felt that it would be too hard to give up the baby at birth.  But now I have three children and understanding how incredible it is to have a child, I would have loved to give the gift of life to some parents who are unable to have a child.  Parents who were ready to love, appreciate and care for a child.  I was only thinking of myself when getting the abortion and how I wasn't ready and how I would be too attached to the baby.  But there are great people out there who are unable to have children, and they deserve to be blessed with a baby.  I think getting to know the adoptive parents I have no regrets and will not dwell in what's already been done.  I feel that I have grown mentally by understanding and accepting what I have done and that there are better options.   Learn from our mistakes and move on.  The past does not equal the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really liked this article.   However, I disagree with abortions and believe in prevention and adoption.  I, too, had two abortions at an early age and felt that it would be too hard to give up the baby at birth.  But now I have three children and understanding how incredible it is to have a child, I would have loved to give the gift of life to some parents who are unable to have a child.  Parents who were ready to love, appreciate and care for a child.  I was only thinking of myself when getting the abortion and how I wasn&#8217;t ready and how I would be too attached to the baby.  But there are great people out there who are unable to have children, and they deserve to be blessed with a baby.  I think getting to know the adoptive parents I have no regrets and will not dwell in what&#8217;s already been done.  I feel that I have grown mentally by understanding and accepting what I have done and that there are better options.   Learn from our mistakes and move on.  The past does not equal the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne</title>
		<link>http://gnosiscafe.com/gcblog/2005/05/23/abortion-holding-life-and-death/#comment-6502</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 02:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am in complete agreement with you that it is a living thing. I think we disagree on some definitions here. The "life" of a fetus is much different than that of an adult. While the flesh is forming, the spirit is not always present in that little body. It comes to visit occasionally. It's not like you or I always being conscious and aware in our bodies. 

There's the theological argument, and the legal argument. Recently, the Supreme Court made a disastrous ruling on late-term abortions. You can read about the faults of their logic &lt;a href="http://www.nybooks.com/articles/article-preview?article_id=20215" rel="nofollow"&gt;here.&lt;/a&gt; We must work in whatever ways we can to ensure that abortion remains safe and legal for all women, especially during the dark days ahead with this conservative court majority.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am in complete agreement with you that it is a living thing. I think we disagree on some definitions here. The &#8220;life&#8221; of a fetus is much different than that of an adult. While the flesh is forming, the spirit is not always present in that little body. It comes to visit occasionally. It&#8217;s not like you or I always being conscious and aware in our bodies. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s the theological argument, and the legal argument. Recently, the Supreme Court made a disastrous ruling on late-term abortions. You can read about the faults of their logic <a href="http://www.nybooks.com/articles/article-preview?article_id=20215" rel="nofollow">here.</a> We must work in whatever ways we can to ensure that abortion remains safe and legal for all women, especially during the dark days ahead with this conservative court majority.</p>
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		<title>By: olivia</title>
		<link>http://gnosiscafe.com/gcblog/2005/05/23/abortion-holding-life-and-death/#comment-6500</link>
		<dc:creator>olivia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 01:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is soo wrong!!! it is a person, its a living thing inside of your body. it is soo wrong to think ne different!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is soo wrong!!! it is a person, its a living thing inside of your body. it is soo wrong to think ne different!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Lily</title>
		<link>http://gnosiscafe.com/gcblog/2005/05/23/abortion-holding-life-and-death/#comment-6442</link>
		<dc:creator>Lily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 11:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Last week I watched the movie "Palindromes" and it really crawled under my skin. I too have had 2 abortions as I felt I was not ready to raise a child, but after seeing that movie it all came back to me - the mixed emotions about the pregnancy, the guilt and horror at what I'd done... I too spent time with the spirit of the child before the abortion, and even did a ritual following it. Afterwards I did not really talk about it, but I wrote a song and it helped somewhat.  Thank you for your article. It helps to know other women have had a similar experience and that it did not stop them from having children in the future. I look forward to bringing a child's spirit to full term someday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last week I watched the movie &#8220;Palindromes&#8221; and it really crawled under my skin. I too have had 2 abortions as I felt I was not ready to raise a child, but after seeing that movie it all came back to me - the mixed emotions about the pregnancy, the guilt and horror at what I&#8217;d done&#8230; I too spent time with the spirit of the child before the abortion, and even did a ritual following it. Afterwards I did not really talk about it, but I wrote a song and it helped somewhat.  Thank you for your article. It helps to know other women have had a similar experience and that it did not stop them from having children in the future. I look forward to bringing a child&#8217;s spirit to full term someday.</p>
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		<title>By: melissa</title>
		<link>http://gnosiscafe.com/gcblog/2005/05/23/abortion-holding-life-and-death/#comment-35</link>
		<dc:creator>melissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2005 15:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you so much for your perspective.  I, too, have felt strongly that life begins at conception AND women must have the right to choose.  I couldn't make sense of this apparent dichotomy, until reading what you have to say.  Thank you.  I have lingering regret and grief from my abortion a decade ago, and have shared with very few people that it even happened.  It was the right decision at the time, however, and your essay helps me know that I need not feel the regret or shame.  The grief, however, may remain with me always.  I have a hard time believing anyone makes this decision lightly.

I just found your blog in August, and am enjoying it.  Keep up the good work.  Also, I am a big fan of Circle Round and my son (almost 6)Loves your songs!  Thanks, Melissa</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you so much for your perspective.  I, too, have felt strongly that life begins at conception AND women must have the right to choose.  I couldn&#8217;t make sense of this apparent dichotomy, until reading what you have to say.  Thank you.  I have lingering regret and grief from my abortion a decade ago, and have shared with very few people that it even happened.  It was the right decision at the time, however, and your essay helps me know that I need not feel the regret or shame.  The grief, however, may remain with me always.  I have a hard time believing anyone makes this decision lightly.</p>
<p>I just found your blog in August, and am enjoying it.  Keep up the good work.  Also, I am a big fan of Circle Round and my son (almost 6)Loves your songs!  Thanks, Melissa</p>
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